Well, I have went though plenty of analysis and searched through dozens upon dozens of games with 2 rook v. 1 queen games. And I have come to a slightly undazzeling conclusion...
The position is equal! Literally, perfectly equal. Like, you could create a game that had only 2 rooks against the 1 queen. Thats how equal the two varities are.
Now, this would be a fun game to watch, 2 players with 2 kings each, but with different sets: 2 rooks or one queen. Anti-Climatic drumroll please!
I have seen many forums and blog posts about this exact topic, and its understandable; it has even happened to me a couple of times!
I will demonstrate why a queen v two rooks is a near perfect in every way. Please use you ocular muscles and bring your eyes to my PGN below!
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Result "*"]
[FEN "8/5q2/4k3/8/8/3K4/2RR4/8 w - - 0 1"]
1.Re2+ Kd5 2.Rcd2 Qf5+ 3.Ke3+ Kc4 4.Rd4+ Kc3 5.Re4 Qg5+ 6.Kf2 Qf5+ 7.Ke1 Qb5 8.R2e3+ Kc2 9.Kf2 Qf5+ 10.Kg3 Qg5+ 11.Kh2 Qh6+ 12.Kg2 Qg5+ 13.Rg3 Qd5 14.Rg4 Kd3 15.Kf3 Qb7 16.Rf4 Qc6 17.Rg4 Qb7 18.Rh4
An advanced elo rated chess computer analyzed this position for over 8 hours (left my computer running over night) and after a bashing processing depth of 48 moves, the computer concluded the position was dead equal. I checked my chess program deeper, and found that white had a +0.00019 advantage, with a 1 being up one pawn. So in all realistical logistics and statistics, if 100,000 people played at a tournament with this exact same set up, then everyone would draw, except for 19 people playing with the 2 rooks. They would win. Logically...
So in a mind shattering context, I can not make any solid conclusions :/
Pros of 2 Rooks
1). 2 pieces = more options
2). Able to coordinate with the other piece
Cons of 2 Rooks
1). If unconnected with the other rook or king, is easy prey for the queen to scoop up
2). The linear movement of a rook makes for predictability, and is easy for the opponent to calculate
Pros of 1 Queen
1). Can move diagonally
2). Is able to deliver checkmate more easily then a rook
Cons of 1 Queen
1). If pinned to the king, is automatically a lose for the player with the queen, since the rook player can force checkmate with 1 rook.
2). It's still only a single piece, and since the opponent has only the queen to focus on, will result in shrewd predictable games.
I was hoping my computer would not show the position as a 0.00, it deludes this chess post, making it icky and unwanted!
So it is up to the chess community to decide! Brotheren! I call to heed your fair aid! What do you think? Which side has the greater advantage? I am really at a lose and am looking for any sort of argument that concludes one side has a stronger advantage!
"With silent lips, give me your games, your analysis, you huddled chess programs yearning to process faster" - Ancient made up chess wisdom
The position is equal! Literally, perfectly equal. Like, you could create a game that had only 2 rooks against the 1 queen. Thats how equal the two varities are.
Now, this would be a fun game to watch, 2 players with 2 kings each, but with different sets: 2 rooks or one queen. Anti-Climatic drumroll please!
I have seen many forums and blog posts about this exact topic, and its understandable; it has even happened to me a couple of times!
I will demonstrate why a queen v two rooks is a near perfect in every way. Please use you ocular muscles and bring your eyes to my PGN below!
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Result "*"]
[FEN "8/5q2/4k3/8/8/3K4/2RR4/8 w - - 0 1"]
1.Re2+ Kd5 2.Rcd2 Qf5+ 3.Ke3+ Kc4 4.Rd4+ Kc3 5.Re4 Qg5+ 6.Kf2 Qf5+ 7.Ke1 Qb5 8.R2e3+ Kc2 9.Kf2 Qf5+ 10.Kg3 Qg5+ 11.Kh2 Qh6+ 12.Kg2 Qg5+ 13.Rg3 Qd5 14.Rg4 Kd3 15.Kf3 Qb7 16.Rf4 Qc6 17.Rg4 Qb7 18.Rh4
An advanced elo rated chess computer analyzed this position for over 8 hours (left my computer running over night) and after a bashing processing depth of 48 moves, the computer concluded the position was dead equal. I checked my chess program deeper, and found that white had a +0.00019 advantage, with a 1 being up one pawn. So in all realistical logistics and statistics, if 100,000 people played at a tournament with this exact same set up, then everyone would draw, except for 19 people playing with the 2 rooks. They would win. Logically...
So in a mind shattering context, I can not make any solid conclusions :/
Pros of 2 Rooks
1). 2 pieces = more options
2). Able to coordinate with the other piece
Cons of 2 Rooks
1). If unconnected with the other rook or king, is easy prey for the queen to scoop up
2). The linear movement of a rook makes for predictability, and is easy for the opponent to calculate
Pros of 1 Queen
1). Can move diagonally
2). Is able to deliver checkmate more easily then a rook
Cons of 1 Queen
1). If pinned to the king, is automatically a lose for the player with the queen, since the rook player can force checkmate with 1 rook.
2). It's still only a single piece, and since the opponent has only the queen to focus on, will result in shrewd predictable games.
I was hoping my computer would not show the position as a 0.00, it deludes this chess post, making it icky and unwanted!
So it is up to the chess community to decide! Brotheren! I call to heed your fair aid! What do you think? Which side has the greater advantage? I am really at a lose and am looking for any sort of argument that concludes one side has a stronger advantage!
"With silent lips, give me your games, your analysis, you huddled chess programs yearning to process faster" - Ancient made up chess wisdom