@SquirrellyMove 30 move draw is certainly not quick.
And for second game, it's clear that both players had draw on purpose as they didn't want to lose. That's terrible and against the spirit of game.
The first game you linked is a completely reasonable draw. Both players know that the endgame is a draw, so they have no reason to waste their time playing it out.
The second game you linked is a bit more questionable, but there's no clear way to avoid the queen trade without either side making a concession, and with a symmetrical structure, neither side will be left with good winning chances. A draw is not a particularly unreasonable result.
The question of why we allow super GMs to make quick draws can be answered by saying that we allow super GMs to play the moves that they feel are best in the position, whether that results in a win, loss, or draw. They are under no obligation to take unnecessary risks in their games, especially when they believe that such moves are strictly worse than safer options.
@Akbar2thegreat said in #11:
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@SquirrellyMove> 30 move draw is certainly not quick.
30 moves was part of the rule I think. Are they allowed to draw by offer in less than 30? For any under 1500 player 10 moves is not that hard to get. 10-20 should be simple for 1500-2500, and 2500-2800 if you draw on move 30 it is obvious you aren't adding anything new. I could understand if a player introduced a novelty that was refuted properly being drawn but I don't see it in the first game.
Players are hoping to win the Grand Prix by playing faster chess. Considering the GP is part of the tournaments which decide who plays in the Candidates, shouldn't the emphasis be more on the classical playing?
I'm with you, OP. That second game was beyond pathetic. LOL. A 14 move draw (including a 3 move repetition) that barely lasted 20 minutes. What are they saving their energy for? It could have been the final game! They played the exact same draw in 2012! I want my money back.
Of course, they can't ban these draws. But that doesn't mean we can't boo the players mercilessly when they do this. LOL.
Boooooo!
I dunno how many of you guys have actually played a classical over the board tournament but they can be pretty exhausting. There are many very practical reasons why they do this. Perhaps its fatigue. Maybe one of them had a head ache. Who knows. Or maybe a draw was simply an acceptable result for both of them so they agreed to a draw. I dont judge them on these things.
If you don't like watching super GM games, why not just study/watch normal chess players? There are plenty of strong players to watch aside the super GM's if you really want. Playing at the top of the chess world is something almost none of us will ever experience. Not everything that is done to get there is pretty, golden, and glitters. Draws are part of chess. Those who complain about quick draws will likely not have the stomach to ever reach such levels themselves or have never played in a real classic tournament.
How DARE YOU say You ALLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWW them to make certain moves ... Who the heck are YOU ??????????? ..... people play Chess & if the game is a Draw I no longer want to hear whhhiiinnning but I will so what ? People play well that draw more often AFTER ALL IT's PROVEN the higher your rating the more Draws u make in OTB Real Chess Tournaments CASE CLOSED people are free
@ThunderClap said in #17:
> How DARE YOU say You ALLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWW them to make certain moves ... Who the heck are YOU ??????????? ..... people play Chess & if the game is a Draw I no longer want to hear whhhiiinnning but I will so what ? People play well that draw more often AFTER ALL IT's PROVEN the higher your rating the more Draws u make in OTB Real Chess Tournaments CASE CLOSED people are free
Are you high?
Well, in today's era players just do draws and draws with agreement. No proper and original play occurs. Carlsen and others are just scared of losing rating points hence all of them just offer draw. Had Carlsen did not offer/accept draw, then he certainly wouldn't be number 1. The players just don't want to lose their position. This era is so poor.
If you put rational chess players in a position where they think their best option in the long run is to make a quick draw, they'll make a quick draw, and I think that to an extent you have to accept that that's part of the metagame these days. Hikaru's rated 75 points higher than Wesley at rapid, and about 13 points lower at classical, so it seems pretty obvious that if he's got a chance to take it to a rapid / blitz playoff by playing for an easy draw with white then he's going to take it - if anything I'm more surprised that Wesley didn't go all out for a win with white on Saturday.
Hopefully the tiebreaks today will be a bit more spicy.
@Akbar2thegreat said in #18:
> Well, in today's era players just do draws and draws with agreement. No proper and original play occurs. Carlsen and others are just scared of losing rating points hence all of them just offer draw.
Out of interest, have you actually been watching any of the Grand Prix?
